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		<title>By: randallcohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallcohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I wondered that when he said it. It&#039;s not a very good analogy for a few reasons, primarily because what has happened with universities in the US in the last few decades is pretty much the inverse of what Obama is proposing : a relatively stable, affordable, egalitarian system that, after losing public funding, had to reorganize itself on a corporate model in order to stay alive, reproducing the characteristics of private schools that created economic barriers for entry and losing the characteristics of a public institution that reinforced the cultural value of a concern for social good outside of free-market capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I wondered that when he said it. It&#39;s not a very good analogy for a few reasons, primarily because what has happened with universities in the US in the last few decades is pretty much the inverse of what Obama is proposing : a relatively stable, affordable, egalitarian system that, after losing public funding, had to reorganize itself on a corporate model in order to stay alive, reproducing the characteristics of private schools that created economic barriers for entry and losing the characteristics of a public institution that reinforced the cultural value of a concern for social good outside of free-market capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This takes me back to Obama&#039;s health care speech, when he actually posited the success of the public university system as a justification for how private and public &#039;options&#039; can work together. Now I wonder if that was the best example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This takes me back to Obama&#39;s health care speech, when he actually posited the success of the public university system as a justification for how private and public &#39;options&#39; can work together. Now I wonder if that was the best example.</p>
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		<title>By: randallcohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallcohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Amanda for the original post, and to all of you for a good discussion that touches on several important topics. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If those of you still reading this thread who have had some experience in the annals of university humanities departments in the last couple of decades will forgive my rehearsal of an old theoretical entrenchment, I would like to suggest that this more or less Foucauldian discussion of power might be well served by adding (note that I said &lt;i&gt; adding &lt;/i&gt;) a little bit of Marx.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which is to say that what has been happening, of late, to the university is not simply its bureaucratic reorganization on a corporate model, and that the incredibly geeky and arcane struggles for power that happen at departmental meetings are not simply performative for the sake of asserting bruised and outsized academic egos. Presumably, anyway -- and as I am constantly reminding both my students and my colleagues, this is written into Foucault&#039;s understanding of power relationships -- such egos would find ways to perform and reinforce departmental hierarchies regardless of the specific form  their interactions must take under this or that model. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reason why this model, in particular, however, is being imposed on the university more and more right now has to do with one thing -- the almost complete incorporation of the enterprise of higher education into the processes of global capital. That means the need for clear metrics of productivity, the transformation of departments and programs into &#039;profit centers&#039;, the reimagination of students as &#039;consumers&#039;, and curriculum that is specifically (and openly) oriented towards training students towards vocational competencies that fit into the current needs of capitalist production. It also means that faculty -- whose intellectual and affective labor is far less easy to quantify or monetize -- must be assigned tasks that can be counted and evaluated on outcomes that can be measured. Meetings, as Amanda suggests, create a record of &#039;service&#039;, which has become more and more central (psychically anyway) to the tenure chase at least partially because it is counted in hours and tasks which are more easily accumulated than articles and books, the units in which scholarship are counted. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, anyone who has ever labored in a cubicle doing project management and has been told to fill out a task-based time sheet knows that this kind of relationship to corporatist, technocratic logic is hardly limited to the University. And yet it somehow seems more of an affront when we encounter it there.  I think that&#039;s because we accept, in most cases, that the underlying logic of whatever corporation for which we are laboring at any given time is that of capitalist accumulation, and although we might take personal umbrage at  having the complexity of our work reduced to blunt outcomes, we also see that in order for the corporation to continue to be successful and pay our salaries, its management must be able to extract data with which to conduct analysis. The enterprise of higher education, however,  is still imagined by many to stand somehow apart.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However we might want to imagine an alternative (and there are lots of different models and they&#039;ve all got some pretty big conceptual problems), there are some pretty harsh realities about why it has come to be the way it is now, and they start (particularly in the US context) with the massive defunding of universities starting, unsurprisingly,  with the Reagan era. Like so many other supposedly social goods, higher education was cut loose to make its own way on the sea of capitalist markets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is so much more to say about this -- addressing student debt, the relationship between university research and military development, and the exploitation of graduate student labor, to start with --  and there are a lot of people talking about it. The best one-man show is Mark Bousquet&#039;s  website &lt;A href=&quot;http://howtheuniversityworks.com/wordpress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How the University Works&lt;/A&gt;, and his book of the same name. Also check out &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.edu-factory.org/edu15/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Edu-Factory&lt;/A&gt; for an international perspective and information about the growing anti-corporatization student movement. I have already, however, wandered far afield of the original discussion. Nonetheless, I think it&#039;s important to realize that the specific corporate bureaucratic model came from somewhere, and it came from there for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Amanda for the original post, and to all of you for a good discussion that touches on several important topics. </p>
<p>If those of you still reading this thread who have had some experience in the annals of university humanities departments in the last couple of decades will forgive my rehearsal of an old theoretical entrenchment, I would like to suggest that this more or less Foucauldian discussion of power might be well served by adding (note that I said <i> adding </i>) a little bit of Marx.</p>
<p>Which is to say that what has been happening, of late, to the university is not simply its bureaucratic reorganization on a corporate model, and that the incredibly geeky and arcane struggles for power that happen at departmental meetings are not simply performative for the sake of asserting bruised and outsized academic egos. Presumably, anyway &#8212; and as I am constantly reminding both my students and my colleagues, this is written into Foucault&#39;s understanding of power relationships &#8212; such egos would find ways to perform and reinforce departmental hierarchies regardless of the specific form  their interactions must take under this or that model. </p>
<p>The reason why this model, in particular, however, is being imposed on the university more and more right now has to do with one thing &#8212; the almost complete incorporation of the enterprise of higher education into the processes of global capital. That means the need for clear metrics of productivity, the transformation of departments and programs into &#39;profit centers&#39;, the reimagination of students as &#39;consumers&#39;, and curriculum that is specifically (and openly) oriented towards training students towards vocational competencies that fit into the current needs of capitalist production. It also means that faculty &#8212; whose intellectual and affective labor is far less easy to quantify or monetize &#8212; must be assigned tasks that can be counted and evaluated on outcomes that can be measured. Meetings, as Amanda suggests, create a record of &#39;service&#39;, which has become more and more central (psychically anyway) to the tenure chase at least partially because it is counted in hours and tasks which are more easily accumulated than articles and books, the units in which scholarship are counted. </p>
<p>Of course, anyone who has ever labored in a cubicle doing project management and has been told to fill out a task-based time sheet knows that this kind of relationship to corporatist, technocratic logic is hardly limited to the University. And yet it somehow seems more of an affront when we encounter it there.  I think that&#39;s because we accept, in most cases, that the underlying logic of whatever corporation for which we are laboring at any given time is that of capitalist accumulation, and although we might take personal umbrage at  having the complexity of our work reduced to blunt outcomes, we also see that in order for the corporation to continue to be successful and pay our salaries, its management must be able to extract data with which to conduct analysis. The enterprise of higher education, however,  is still imagined by many to stand somehow apart.</p>
<p>However we might want to imagine an alternative (and there are lots of different models and they&#39;ve all got some pretty big conceptual problems), there are some pretty harsh realities about why it has come to be the way it is now, and they start (particularly in the US context) with the massive defunding of universities starting, unsurprisingly,  with the Reagan era. Like so many other supposedly social goods, higher education was cut loose to make its own way on the sea of capitalist markets.</p>
<p>There is so much more to say about this &#8212; addressing student debt, the relationship between university research and military development, and the exploitation of graduate student labor, to start with &#8212;  and there are a lot of people talking about it. The best one-man show is Mark Bousquet&#39;s  website <a href="http://howtheuniversityworks.com/wordpress/" rel="nofollow">How the University Works</a>, and his book of the same name. Also check out <a href="http://www.edu-factory.org/edu15/" rel="nofollow">Edu-Factory</a> for an international perspective and information about the growing anti-corporatization student movement. I have already, however, wandered far afield of the original discussion. Nonetheless, I think it&#39;s important to realize that the specific corporate bureaucratic model came from somewhere, and it came from there for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaemerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>amandaemerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What great examples. Today, the professoriate fights back: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/education/04michigan.html?em&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/education/04m...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;Notice especially the reason for the strike:  faculty sees pay and benefits cuts, administration sees pay raises. The effrontery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What great examples. Today, the professoriate fights back: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/education/04michigan.html?em" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/education/04m.." rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/education/04m..</a>. <br />Notice especially the reason for the strike:  faculty sees pay and benefits cuts, administration sees pay raises. The effrontery.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Eicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creeping corporatism you mention isn&#039;t limited to trying to remake some parts of academia in its own image. I think just about any entity ultimately overseen by a board is especially susceptible to it, in some form. My brother in law has worked managing a number of large public theaters, some of which have been board operated. And when a board has been involved, almost without fail, you get this kind of thing happening once, if not multiple times, across a span of years.  Since board members are almost always wealthy because a big part of what they do is try to drum up money for whatever enterprise they oversee, many have been successful (or piggybacked on the success of someone else who was successful) in some kind of mercantile endeavor. This leads to such people declaring, often with complete sincerity, things like that all the XYZPDQ Theater has to do to succeed widly is do what old Joe Smiley did back in his Cadillac dealership in Jupiter, Florida back in the &#039;70s and give salespeople big incentive payments based on ABC123 every other week--never mind that the operational structure of a public theater has virtually nothing in common with selling cars, etc. In the same way, besides the &quot;snake oil&quot; salespeople (my designation, not Amanda&#039;s) who convince university administrators to take on various nonsensical, meeting-generating projects, there are likely board members of the universities themselves, sometimes with the best intentions, who try to make the institutions of higher education work like something they know more about--namely,  businesses of various kinds, whether in a given case it&#039;s a chain of hot dog stands on the Jersey shore, a diamond mine in South Africa, or whatever other enterprise(s) they see themselves as past masters of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creeping corporatism you mention isn&#39;t limited to trying to remake some parts of academia in its own image. I think just about any entity ultimately overseen by a board is especially susceptible to it, in some form. My brother in law has worked managing a number of large public theaters, some of which have been board operated. And when a board has been involved, almost without fail, you get this kind of thing happening once, if not multiple times, across a span of years.  Since board members are almost always wealthy because a big part of what they do is try to drum up money for whatever enterprise they oversee, many have been successful (or piggybacked on the success of someone else who was successful) in some kind of mercantile endeavor. This leads to such people declaring, often with complete sincerity, things like that all the XYZPDQ Theater has to do to succeed widly is do what old Joe Smiley did back in his Cadillac dealership in Jupiter, Florida back in the &#39;70s and give salespeople big incentive payments based on ABC123 every other week&#8211;never mind that the operational structure of a public theater has virtually nothing in common with selling cars, etc. In the same way, besides the &#8220;snake oil&#8221; salespeople (my designation, not Amanda&#39;s) who convince university administrators to take on various nonsensical, meeting-generating projects, there are likely board members of the universities themselves, sometimes with the best intentions, who try to make the institutions of higher education work like something they know more about&#8211;namely,  businesses of various kinds, whether in a given case it&#39;s a chain of hot dog stands on the Jersey shore, a diamond mine in South Africa, or whatever other enterprise(s) they see themselves as past masters of.</p>
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		<title>By: amandaemerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>amandaemerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to know that there are exceptions--and in government of all places! Just a point of clarification, though--and I know you know this: academics do not make a career of going to vacuous meetings. Many struggle mightily, and successfully, to make a career of finding new things to say about their areas of expertise--or new ways to say old things, as Eric Eicher (whose comments also appear here) long ago pointed out to me. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some academic &lt;i&gt; administrators &lt;/i&gt; seem to make a career of such meetings and sucking the rest of us into their vision of the corporate university.  Not all administrators, mind you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s good to know that there are exceptions&#8211;and in government of all places! Just a point of clarification, though&#8211;and I know you know this: academics do not make a career of going to vacuous meetings. Many struggle mightily, and successfully, to make a career of finding new things to say about their areas of expertise&#8211;or new ways to say old things, as Eric Eicher (whose comments also appear here) long ago pointed out to me. </p>
<p>Some academic <i> administrators </i> seem to make a career of such meetings and sucking the rest of us into their vision of the corporate university.  Not all administrators, mind you.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing that your meeting, with all of its steam blowing, was more bearable because of my steam blowing makes my day! &lt;br&gt;And yet, I am struck by the &quot;less seething,&quot; since more seething might lead to some kind of change. There is always the off-chance that it has never occurred to the authority responsible for this whistle that their minions experience the method as nerve-frazzling at best and dehumanizing at worst.&lt;br&gt;Thanks for responding, Alicia; I&#039;ve enjoyed your comments!  --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing that your meeting, with all of its steam blowing, was more bearable because of my steam blowing makes my day! <br />And yet, I am struck by the &#8220;less seething,&#8221; since more seething might lead to some kind of change. There is always the off-chance that it has never occurred to the authority responsible for this whistle that their minions experience the method as nerve-frazzling at best and dehumanizing at worst.<br />Thanks for responding, Alicia; I&#39;ve enjoyed your comments!  &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Eicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though what I&#039;m about to claim goes beyond this essay&#039;s chosen scope, I think this piece makes a wonderful case that most meetings--in virtually any context, academic or otherwise--are, to quote what Amanda says above,  called into being &quot;to exhibit power.&quot; That being so, as frustrating as it is to say, most meetings are wonderful successes at doing exactly what they were really drummed up to do, whether anybody involved &quot;gets anything done&quot; in them or not.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I get older, I&#039;ve started to judge old textbooks in retrospect by how valuable I&#039;ve found their insights to be in the years since I first read them, and an excerpt from a text that has repeatedly scored high on that scale is one taken from Stephen Greenblatt&#039;s &quot;RENAISSANCE SELF-FASHIONING: FROM MORE TO SHAKESPEARE . Greenblatt extrapolates a memorable telltale sign of power from Thomas More&#039;s writings: &quot;the ability to impose one&#039;s fictions upon the world.&quot;  This holding of ridiculous, free-floating, time-eating meetings that the power figures behind rarely attend  is a perfect example of raw, stupid power in action. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you enjoyed this excellent essay, I especially recommend this brilliant post from Amanda&#039;s blog (her blog being linked to from her name in her profile above): &quot;On Leaving the Academy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though what I&#39;m about to claim goes beyond this essay&#39;s chosen scope, I think this piece makes a wonderful case that most meetings&#8211;in virtually any context, academic or otherwise&#8211;are, to quote what Amanda says above,  called into being &#8220;to exhibit power.&#8221; That being so, as frustrating as it is to say, most meetings are wonderful successes at doing exactly what they were really drummed up to do, whether anybody involved &#8220;gets anything done&#8221; in them or not.  </p>
<p>As I get older, I&#39;ve started to judge old textbooks in retrospect by how valuable I&#39;ve found their insights to be in the years since I first read them, and an excerpt from a text that has repeatedly scored high on that scale is one taken from Stephen Greenblatt&#39;s &#8220;RENAISSANCE SELF-FASHIONING: FROM MORE TO SHAKESPEARE . Greenblatt extrapolates a memorable telltale sign of power from Thomas More&#39;s writings: &#8220;the ability to impose one&#39;s fictions upon the world.&#8221;  This holding of ridiculous, free-floating, time-eating meetings that the power figures behind rarely attend  is a perfect example of raw, stupid power in action. </p>
<p>If you enjoyed this excellent essay, I especially recommend this brilliant post from Amanda&#39;s blog (her blog being linked to from her name in her profile above): &#8220;On Leaving the Academy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Wein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia Wein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not the metal whistles, but the kind you do by sticking your fingers in your mouth---the really loud, piercing, call-everyone-off-the-field kind.  And, as predicted, the second (of three) meetings I had today began with a whistle. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Usually, I do not react well.  But today, I was in the meeting with three people with whom I had exchanged and discussed this article and the comments.  So, the whistles, and the committee reports, and the discussions of the content of the upcoming meetings (where we will undoubtedly discuss the agenda of the meetings to follow) struck a slightly more comic note.  At least, I seethed just slightly less than usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#39;re not the metal whistles, but the kind you do by sticking your fingers in your mouth&#8212;the really loud, piercing, call-everyone-off-the-field kind.  And, as predicted, the second (of three) meetings I had today began with a whistle. </p>
<p>Usually, I do not react well.  But today, I was in the meeting with three people with whom I had exchanged and discussed this article and the comments.  So, the whistles, and the committee reports, and the discussions of the content of the upcoming meetings (where we will undoubtedly discuss the agenda of the meetings to follow) struck a slightly more comic note.  At least, I seethed just slightly less than usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me wonder how much room there is in translated contexts to deliberately misunderstand implication, a conversational technique that I find to be vital, especially in a professional context.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, David Allen needs to go on a lecture circuit for philosophy departments.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are those the same whistles used to summon students in from recess?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If someone whistled at me to indicate time for a meeting, I have a feeling I would not respond very well.</description>
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<p>If someone whistled at me to indicate time for a meeting, I have a feeling I would not respond very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent one semester as a Philosophy grad student and dropped out because I felt like what you say about faculty meetings applied to the whole discipline. Made up problems to be solved by made up heroes using made up words that only very special people were allowed to invoke--for made up reasons. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose I probably sound bitter, but I did feel that no one is academia understood the concept of Getting Things Done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent one semester as a Philosophy grad student and dropped out because I felt like what you say about faculty meetings applied to the whole discipline. Made up problems to be solved by made up heroes using made up words that only very special people were allowed to invoke&#8211;for made up reasons. </p>
<p>I suppose I probably sound bitter, but I did feel that no one is academia understood the concept of Getting Things Done.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s a fascinating problem.</description>
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		<title>By: Burocrazia rampante &#171; strategie evolutive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burocrazia rampante &#171; strategie evolutive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quelle che qui da noi sono considerate &#8220;troppo sperimentali&#8221;).E su Revolving Floor, l&#8217;articolo sulle strutture burocratiche di Amanda Emerson, ex docente di inglese che ha lasciato il posto fisso in università per seguire un corso da [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quelle che qui da noi sono considerate &#8220;troppo sperimentali&#8221;).E su Revolving Floor, l&#8217;articolo sulle strutture burocratiche di Amanda Emerson, ex docente di inglese che ha lasciato il posto fisso in università per seguire un corso da [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brandtfromku</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, I very much enjoyed this piece.  I have a general policy, admittedly frequently observed in the breach, that any meeting I call should last not more than 5 minutes.  My day is often consumed by other people&#039;s meetings, where there is no agenda and no discipline in the discussion.  I find it fascinating that there is a (mercifully small) class of people who literally make a career out of going to meetings where they have no equities to defend, little substantive input to provide, and no stake in the decision, but yet have surprisingly strongly held views freely expressed.  They simply fill their day with an endless string of meaningless place holders, that serve no purpose other than to justify their paycheck to inadequately attentive - or worse, equally useless - supervisors.  I&#039;d rather slit my throat!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I admire your determination to change course, and wish you well on the journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, I very much enjoyed this piece.  I have a general policy, admittedly frequently observed in the breach, that any meeting I call should last not more than 5 minutes.  My day is often consumed by other people&#39;s meetings, where there is no agenda and no discipline in the discussion.  I find it fascinating that there is a (mercifully small) class of people who literally make a career out of going to meetings where they have no equities to defend, little substantive input to provide, and no stake in the decision, but yet have surprisingly strongly held views freely expressed.  They simply fill their day with an endless string of meaningless place holders, that serve no purpose other than to justify their paycheck to inadequately attentive &#8211; or worse, equally useless &#8211; supervisors.  I&#39;d rather slit my throat!</p>
<p>So I admire your determination to change course, and wish you well on the journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Meckler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Meckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Sign Language interpreter, I have interpreted just about every kind of meeting you can imaging: faculty, committee, governmental, AA...  One thing that is true for them all is that until I understood the power structure of the group, I could not accurately interpret what people were saying.  Since ASL and English are different languages, and one does not interpret word for sign but concept for concept, I cannot make choices about meaning unless I know the relative statuses of each participant. &lt;br&gt;A very simple example is:  if someone says, &quot;I think this is the right thing to do, don&#039;t you agree, John,&quot; it could mean, were this a boss speaking to an underling, &quot;we&#039;re going to do this, and John, go ahead and publicly announce you&#039;re on board,&quot; or, if the underling were speaking to his boss, it could mean, &quot;I propose this idea, and now I implore your support with all due respect.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;Interpreting meetings sucks for this reason, among others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Sign Language interpreter, I have interpreted just about every kind of meeting you can imaging: faculty, committee, governmental, AA&#8230;  One thing that is true for them all is that until I understood the power structure of the group, I could not accurately interpret what people were saying.  Since ASL and English are different languages, and one does not interpret word for sign but concept for concept, I cannot make choices about meaning unless I know the relative statuses of each participant. <br />A very simple example is:  if someone says, &#8220;I think this is the right thing to do, don&#39;t you agree, John,&#8221; it could mean, were this a boss speaking to an underling, &#8220;we&#39;re going to do this, and John, go ahead and publicly announce you&#39;re on board,&#8221; or, if the underling were speaking to his boss, it could mean, &#8220;I propose this idea, and now I implore your support with all due respect.&#8221;  <br />Interpreting meetings sucks for this reason, among others.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;ve never worked in academia, I can relate to pretty much everything in this piece, based on my experience in corporate life. Irrelevant, counterproductive meetings, staffed by the wrong people, with the person responsible conspicuously absent, take so often that the need for them is seldom questioned. This is much worse in environments dominated by people with a background in sales, because they are &quot;people people&quot; who believe in the value of face-to-face human interaction uber alles. Upon learning of a particular operational difficulty, the sales-based executive will almost always respond with &quot;schedule a meeting!&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is almost always the wrong thing to do. And yet, the mandate is so sincere, open-ended, and philosophically difficult to argue with, that the meeting happens anyway. Since the salesperson who mandated it doesn&#039;t understand the problem (and therefore doesn&#039;t understand why the meeting is useless), he doesn&#039;t attend. The operations people then spend the first half of the meeting trying to determine whether they can trust each other to call the situation what it is. If they do reach this point, then they spend the rest of the meeting collaborating on a report to the salesperson that will a) make the meeting sound productive, and b) ensure that a follow-up will not be deemed necessary. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I was working at Microsoft, my group had two weekly meetings. One was a departmental meeting with Diane, the executive to whom my manager reported. Outside of these meetings, I never saw Diane. That meeting happened on Wednesdays.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other meeting happened on Tuesdays. It included everyone that the Wednesday meeting did, except for Diane. The point of the Tuesday meeting was to prepare for the Wednesday meeting. Note that we were not formulating executive summaries, or making sure that all our ducks were in order. Rather, we were rehearsing how to present things to Diane in a way that would make her want to leave us alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, there are many problems that can be solved much more easily over email, where everyone involved is more or less forced to actually say something of substance. But it&#039;s remarkable how often I&#039;ve heard colleagues - always managers or who are not going to have to do any of the actual work - whine that it would have been much faster to have a meeting. By which they mean, it would have been easier on them, because instead of solving the problem, they could then focus their energies on coming up with creative ways to tell other people to solve the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#39;ve never worked in academia, I can relate to pretty much everything in this piece, based on my experience in corporate life. Irrelevant, counterproductive meetings, staffed by the wrong people, with the person responsible conspicuously absent, take so often that the need for them is seldom questioned. This is much worse in environments dominated by people with a background in sales, because they are &#8220;people people&#8221; who believe in the value of face-to-face human interaction uber alles. Upon learning of a particular operational difficulty, the sales-based executive will almost always respond with &#8220;schedule a meeting!&#8221; </p>
<p>This is almost always the wrong thing to do. And yet, the mandate is so sincere, open-ended, and philosophically difficult to argue with, that the meeting happens anyway. Since the salesperson who mandated it doesn&#39;t understand the problem (and therefore doesn&#39;t understand why the meeting is useless), he doesn&#39;t attend. The operations people then spend the first half of the meeting trying to determine whether they can trust each other to call the situation what it is. If they do reach this point, then they spend the rest of the meeting collaborating on a report to the salesperson that will a) make the meeting sound productive, and b) ensure that a follow-up will not be deemed necessary. </p>
<p>When I was working at Microsoft, my group had two weekly meetings. One was a departmental meeting with Diane, the executive to whom my manager reported. Outside of these meetings, I never saw Diane. That meeting happened on Wednesdays.</p>
<p>The other meeting happened on Tuesdays. It included everyone that the Wednesday meeting did, except for Diane. The point of the Tuesday meeting was to prepare for the Wednesday meeting. Note that we were not formulating executive summaries, or making sure that all our ducks were in order. Rather, we were rehearsing how to present things to Diane in a way that would make her want to leave us alone.</p>
<p>Also, there are many problems that can be solved much more easily over email, where everyone involved is more or less forced to actually say something of substance. But it&#39;s remarkable how often I&#39;ve heard colleagues &#8211; always managers or who are not going to have to do any of the actual work &#8211; whine that it would have been much faster to have a meeting. By which they mean, it would have been easier on them, because instead of solving the problem, they could then focus their energies on coming up with creative ways to tell other people to solve the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia Wein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia Wein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this piece, though not the degree to which it exacerbated my sense of dread at returning to teaching tomorrow.  I have nothing but excitement to meet my new students, but UGH. . .the meetings eat away at my soul. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps you are free from this at the university level, but some of the most agonizing moments for me are when the commencement of a meeting is signaled by a piercing, obnoxious, only-appropriate-for-herding-cattle whistle. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Worse still, there&#039;s hardly any objection to the assertion of that particular kind of authority. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this piece, though not the degree to which it exacerbated my sense of dread at returning to teaching tomorrow.  I have nothing but excitement to meet my new students, but UGH. . .the meetings eat away at my soul. </p>
<p>Perhaps you are free from this at the university level, but some of the most agonizing moments for me are when the commencement of a meeting is signaled by a piercing, obnoxious, only-appropriate-for-herding-cattle whistle. </p>
<p>Worse still, there&#39;s hardly any objection to the assertion of that particular kind of authority. </p>
<p>Moan.</p>
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