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		<title>By: aliciamaud74</title>
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		<dc:creator>aliciamaud74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own experience and observations as a teacher point to the fact that children in language-rich environments (which, yes, may include Dr. Seuss, and should ABSOLUTELY include HUMOR), who learn that one purpose of language is *play,* tend to be very free and creative writers, willing to experiment, and eager to find the *fun* in writing as a form of expression. On the contrary, students who learn to valourize a very limited array of texts tend to see the process of writing as a method for producing grammatically correct, tepid, and soulless text, and those are the papers it&#039;s really crushing to read.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A further purpose of story is framing out lessons and teaching people, particularly the young, but certainly not exclusively, what we value as a culture and society.  So, I don&#039;t really *get* the objection to Seuss on the grounds that he &quot;moralizes.&quot;  Inherent in any book for children are lessons and opportunity for reflection, and though they often seem like heavy-handed lessons when viewed through adult eyes, I&#039;m unconvinced that children experience them that way, or that it&#039;s necessarily problematic if they do. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also think it&#039;s important to note that--as proven by the Family Circus cartoon--different people have vastly different experiences of different texts.  (I, for one, found that pretty funny, and my cat is not at all in harm&#039;s way.) Not all kids find Seuss engaging and hilarious, but some do.  I think the possibility of  joy and laughter that comes with a child engaging with a book they love and find funny--the literal and literary worlds that opens up for them---far outweighs the threat of &quot;degradation&quot; of language presented by Seuss.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If my nephew giggles his way through a book, delighting in the sound and cadence of words, I&#039;ll reread the book to him over and over, even at the risk of him thinking &quot;wocket&quot; is a real word for a day or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experience and observations as a teacher point to the fact that children in language-rich environments (which, yes, may include Dr. Seuss, and should ABSOLUTELY include HUMOR), who learn that one purpose of language is *play,* tend to be very free and creative writers, willing to experiment, and eager to find the *fun* in writing as a form of expression. On the contrary, students who learn to valourize a very limited array of texts tend to see the process of writing as a method for producing grammatically correct, tepid, and soulless text, and those are the papers it&#39;s really crushing to read.  </p>
<p>A further purpose of story is framing out lessons and teaching people, particularly the young, but certainly not exclusively, what we value as a culture and society.  So, I don&#39;t really *get* the objection to Seuss on the grounds that he &#8220;moralizes.&#8221;  Inherent in any book for children are lessons and opportunity for reflection, and though they often seem like heavy-handed lessons when viewed through adult eyes, I&#39;m unconvinced that children experience them that way, or that it&#39;s necessarily problematic if they do. </p>
<p>I also think it&#39;s important to note that&#8211;as proven by the Family Circus cartoon&#8211;different people have vastly different experiences of different texts.  (I, for one, found that pretty funny, and my cat is not at all in harm&#39;s way.) Not all kids find Seuss engaging and hilarious, but some do.  I think the possibility of  joy and laughter that comes with a child engaging with a book they love and find funny&#8211;the literal and literary worlds that opens up for them&#8212;far outweighs the threat of &#8220;degradation&#8221; of language presented by Seuss.  </p>
<p>If my nephew giggles his way through a book, delighting in the sound and cadence of words, I&#39;ll reread the book to him over and over, even at the risk of him thinking &#8220;wocket&#8221; is a real word for a day or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My comment is that the statement is cruel and it doesn&#039;t matter where it&#039;s made. That&#039;s the point you seem to be missing, although possibly intentionally.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not missing it; I just don&#039;t agree. Then again, I also don&#039;t subscribe to the model of malleable souls that you&#039;re taking as a given.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, the cartoon above that has you so upset is not directed at children. It&#039;s directed at adults who are familiar with Family Circus. I suppose that a particularly sensitive adult might still be traumatized by that cartoon, even if they did understand the context, but that&#039;s rather difficult for me to get worked up about. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Certainly, Dr. Seuss stories are not realistic, nor are they meant to be. Neither are the Greek myths, or the legends of Camelot, or any number of popular and influential stories that have been told in various cultures since the dawn of civilization. You talk about reading children &quot;real literature,&quot; but surely some of the literature you have in mind involves some kind of magic, or talking animals, or something that could not happen in real life. People need metaphor and fantasy to contemplate abstract concepts, to hone their imaginations, and for a host of other reasons. And in my view, the very notion that we have &quot;souls&quot; that can be &quot;damaged&quot; is ultimately just another such story. Like &quot;The Cat In The Hat,&quot; the story of &quot;souls&quot; is a story that resonates with a great many people, but it&#039;s ultimately important to separate the comfort and joy we find therein from the reality in which we live. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Above, you say &quot;To my knowledge, nobody has done any actual research on Dr. Seuss,&quot; and that is far from the truth; a number of books and articles have been written about him; some are academic works. Seuss also had an extensive career outside of children&#039;s books, so quite a bit is known about him, his points of view, and his philosophy of art and language. His &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wikipedia page&lt;/a&gt; is a good starting point for such stuff, of course, although I&#039;m sure you&#039;re not interested. You also say that Seuss &quot;does, in spite of his avowal to the contrary, moralize,&quot; and he certainly does moralize, but I can&#039;t imagine him avowing to the contrary. The Lorax, for example, is plainly about environmentalism. The Butter Battle Book is plainly about war. Oh The Places You&#039;ll Go is about the value of self-esteem. Green Eggs And Ham is about keeping an open mind, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My comment is that the statement is cruel and it doesn&#39;t matter where it&#39;s made. That&#39;s the point you seem to be missing, although possibly intentionally.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#39;m not missing it; I just don&#39;t agree. Then again, I also don&#39;t subscribe to the model of malleable souls that you&#39;re taking as a given.</p>
<p>Also, the cartoon above that has you so upset is not directed at children. It&#39;s directed at adults who are familiar with Family Circus. I suppose that a particularly sensitive adult might still be traumatized by that cartoon, even if they did understand the context, but that&#39;s rather difficult for me to get worked up about. </p>
<p>Certainly, Dr. Seuss stories are not realistic, nor are they meant to be. Neither are the Greek myths, or the legends of Camelot, or any number of popular and influential stories that have been told in various cultures since the dawn of civilization. You talk about reading children &#8220;real literature,&#8221; but surely some of the literature you have in mind involves some kind of magic, or talking animals, or something that could not happen in real life. People need metaphor and fantasy to contemplate abstract concepts, to hone their imaginations, and for a host of other reasons. And in my view, the very notion that we have &#8220;souls&#8221; that can be &#8220;damaged&#8221; is ultimately just another such story. Like &#8220;The Cat In The Hat,&#8221; the story of &#8220;souls&#8221; is a story that resonates with a great many people, but it&#39;s ultimately important to separate the comfort and joy we find therein from the reality in which we live. </p>
<p>Above, you say &#8220;To my knowledge, nobody has done any actual research on Dr. Seuss,&#8221; and that is far from the truth; a number of books and articles have been written about him; some are academic works. Seuss also had an extensive career outside of children&#39;s books, so quite a bit is known about him, his points of view, and his philosophy of art and language. His <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss" rel="nofollow">wikipedia page</a> is a good starting point for such stuff, of course, although I&#39;m sure you&#39;re not interested. You also say that Seuss &#8220;does, in spite of his avowal to the contrary, moralize,&#8221; and he certainly does moralize, but I can&#39;t imagine him avowing to the contrary. The Lorax, for example, is plainly about environmentalism. The Butter Battle Book is plainly about war. Oh The Places You&#39;ll Go is about the value of self-esteem. Green Eggs And Ham is about keeping an open mind, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that&#039;s what is going on, which confirms what I have said: The sad state of our pop culture leads people to concern about a comic strip because it&#039;s not real (as if any are) and the response is ugliness that also isn&#039;t real. Dr. Seuss is also not real and is ugly besides. You are correct, reality is one of the many things lost by Dr. Seuss and his admirers. Context is not everything. If you harm a soul, it&#039;s harmed, no matter in what the context. Ugliness is ugly, cruelty is cruel, and degrading is degrading. If I decide to steal something to make a statement or because I think it&#039;s funny, it&#039;s still immoral. My comment is that the statement is cruel and it doesn&#039;t matter where it&#039;s made. That&#039;s the point you seem to be missing, although possibly intentionally.&lt;br&gt;Also, it&#039;s hard to give up our childhood and what we accepted at the time as true will carry on in and through us unless we are able to see it more objectively, which is rare. It is the unfortunate norm for parents to share their childhood with their children without regard to its actual value and to buy into commercial claims without regard to the reality behind them. They take it personally when unfavorable comments are made and can&#039;t see the objective points through their nostalgia. I have not meant to offend you, even though your &quot;humor&quot; is offensive to any sensitive soul, especially those of children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that&#39;s what is going on, which confirms what I have said: The sad state of our pop culture leads people to concern about a comic strip because it&#39;s not real (as if any are) and the response is ugliness that also isn&#39;t real. Dr. Seuss is also not real and is ugly besides. You are correct, reality is one of the many things lost by Dr. Seuss and his admirers. Context is not everything. If you harm a soul, it&#39;s harmed, no matter in what the context. Ugliness is ugly, cruelty is cruel, and degrading is degrading. If I decide to steal something to make a statement or because I think it&#39;s funny, it&#39;s still immoral. My comment is that the statement is cruel and it doesn&#39;t matter where it&#39;s made. That&#39;s the point you seem to be missing, although possibly intentionally.<br />Also, it&#39;s hard to give up our childhood and what we accepted at the time as true will carry on in and through us unless we are able to see it more objectively, which is rare. It is the unfortunate norm for parents to share their childhood with their children without regard to its actual value and to buy into commercial claims without regard to the reality behind them. They take it personally when unfavorable comments are made and can&#39;t see the objective points through their nostalgia. I have not meant to offend you, even though your &#8220;humor&#8221; is offensive to any sensitive soul, especially those of children.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s what I said, except that an observation is more than an opinion. You are trying to make it sound as if I included the latter articles as research. I clearly stated that the Time articles were about research and the others were observations: The effects of time spent with Dr. Seuss is my own observation and experience, as well as that of other educators, but &quot;you might find the following articles interesting.&quot; Your reply seems to mimic mine and I don&#039;t see how it adds or changes anything that I said. To my knowledge, nobody has done any actual research on Dr. Suess but he is part of our pop culture and that is generally agreed to be degrading more than our use of language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#39;s what I said, except that an observation is more than an opinion. You are trying to make it sound as if I included the latter articles as research. I clearly stated that the Time articles were about research and the others were observations: The effects of time spent with Dr. Seuss is my own observation and experience, as well as that of other educators, but &#8220;you might find the following articles interesting.&#8221; Your reply seems to mimic mine and I don&#39;t see how it adds or changes anything that I said. To my knowledge, nobody has done any actual research on Dr. Suess but he is part of our pop culture and that is generally agreed to be degrading more than our use of language.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have left Family Circus and Dr. Seuss out of this because I don&#039;t think either are relevant.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a bit of a stretch, considering that we&#039;re having this discussion on a web page that exists for the purpose of presenting an essay about Dr. Seuss, and the cartoon was chosen specifically in order to go along with that essay. Context really does matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I can&#039;t imagine anyone being so concerned about the real-life quality of a comic strip that one would think it necessary to portray cruelty in any form as a means of objection, let alone humor.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hard as it may be for you to imagine, that&#039;s what is going on in that cartoon. I understood it right away, but then, I learned to read with Dr. Seuss, so my mind has been warped. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Watch out for that Lewis Carroll; Jabberwocky is a doozy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have left Family Circus and Dr. Seuss out of this because I don&#39;t think either are relevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s a bit of a stretch, considering that we&#39;re having this discussion on a web page that exists for the purpose of presenting an essay about Dr. Seuss, and the cartoon was chosen specifically in order to go along with that essay. Context really does matter.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can&#39;t imagine anyone being so concerned about the real-life quality of a comic strip that one would think it necessary to portray cruelty in any form as a means of objection, let alone humor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard as it may be for you to imagine, that&#39;s what is going on in that cartoon. I understood it right away, but then, I learned to read with Dr. Seuss, so my mind has been warped. </p>
<p>Watch out for that Lewis Carroll; Jabberwocky is a doozy.</p>
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		<title>By: debcha</title>
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		<dc:creator>debcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your assertions:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i) Children who are brought up without Dr Seuss and television &#039;tend to be better writers.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ii) Children who are brought up without Dr Seuss and television &#039;tend to be less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(and just added)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;iii) [Real literature] leads to good vocabulary, comprehension, moral development, and a good general education.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The studies that are cited in the Time article address the effects of television on some specific aspects of cognitive development (such as language acquisition), but not on what you assert. Also, the latter two links that you provided are editorial in nature, not experimental research.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand that you hold these opinions. If you wish to assert them as fact, however, you need to provide evidence (such as scientific studies comparing the writing ability of individuals who were or were not exposed to Dr Seuss as children) to support your case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your assertions:</p>
<p>i) Children who are brought up without Dr Seuss and television &#39;tend to be better writers.&#39;</p>
<p>ii) Children who are brought up without Dr Seuss and television &#39;tend to be less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world.&#39;</p>
<p>(and just added)</p>
<p>iii) [Real literature] leads to good vocabulary, comprehension, moral development, and a good general education.</p>
<p>The studies that are cited in the Time article address the effects of television on some specific aspects of cognitive development (such as language acquisition), but not on what you assert. Also, the latter two links that you provided are editorial in nature, not experimental research.</p>
<p>I understand that you hold these opinions. If you wish to assert them as fact, however, you need to provide evidence (such as scientific studies comparing the writing ability of individuals who were or were not exposed to Dr Seuss as children) to support your case.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what assertion(s) you want substantiated.&lt;br&gt;The effects of television and baby einstein are researched and documented:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1650352%2C00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1147180%2C00.html?iid=sphere-inline-sidebar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,917...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1882560%2C00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1902209%2C00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;The effects of time spent with Dr. Seuss is my own observation and experience, as well as that of other educators, but you might find the following articles interesting:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turboreader.com/PDF/Miller-Blumenfeld_Dyslexia_Article.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.turboreader.com/PDF/Miller-Blumenfel...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.circeinstitute.com/AdditionalResources.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.circeinstitute.com/AdditionalResourc...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way, if you&#039;re looking for something realistic, you sure won&#039;t find it in Dr. Seuss. As the second articles notes, we used to read our children real literature and that is what leads to good vocabulary, comprehension, moral development, and a good general education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not sure what assertion(s) you want substantiated.<br />The effects of television and baby einstein are researched and documented:<br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1650352%2C00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,.." rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,..</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0%2C9171%2C1147180%2C00.html?iid=sphere-inline-sidebar" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,917.." rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,917..</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1882560%2C00.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,.." rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,..</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1902209%2C00.html?iid=sphere-inline-bottom" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,.." rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,..</a>.<br />The effects of time spent with Dr. Seuss is my own observation and experience, as well as that of other educators, but you might find the following articles interesting:<br /><a href="http://www.turboreader.com/PDF/Miller-Blumenfeld_Dyslexia_Article.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.turboreader.com/PDF/Miller-Blumenfel.." rel="nofollow">http://www.turboreader.com/PDF/Miller-Blumenfel..</a>.<br /><a href="http://www.circeinstitute.com/AdditionalResources.shtml" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.circeinstitute.com/AdditionalResourc.." rel="nofollow">http://www.circeinstitute.com/AdditionalResourc..</a>.<br />By the way, if you&#39;re looking for something realistic, you sure won&#39;t find it in Dr. Seuss. As the second articles notes, we used to read our children real literature and that is what leads to good vocabulary, comprehension, moral development, and a good general education.</p>
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		<title>By: debcha</title>
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		<dc:creator>debcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Children who are brought up without that and other poor influences on language, such as television and baby einstein, tend to be better writers and less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can you please provide a reference to a study that substantiates this assertion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Children who are brought up without that and other poor influences on language, such as television and baby einstein, tend to be better writers and less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world.</i></p>
<p>Can you please provide a reference to a study that substantiates this assertion?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have left Family Circus and Dr. Seuss out of this because I don&#039;t think either are relevant. As a teacher who is particularly concerned about the demise of our language, I counsel parents to avoid Dr. Seuss. Besides making a mockery of language, he does, in spite of his avowal to the contrary, moralize . Children who are brought up without that and other poor influences on language, such as television and baby einstein, tend to be better writers and less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world. I can&#039;t imagine anyone being so concerned about the real-life quality of a comic strip that one would think it necessary to portray cruelty in any form as a means of objection, let alone humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have left Family Circus and Dr. Seuss out of this because I don&#39;t think either are relevant. As a teacher who is particularly concerned about the demise of our language, I counsel parents to avoid Dr. Seuss. Besides making a mockery of language, he does, in spite of his avowal to the contrary, moralize . Children who are brought up without that and other poor influences on language, such as television and baby einstein, tend to be better writers and less likely to engage in any of the cartoonish characterizations and caricatures in our world. I can&#39;t imagine anyone being so concerned about the real-life quality of a comic strip that one would think it necessary to portray cruelty in any form as a means of objection, let alone humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The joke isn&#039;t about cats at all. It&#039;s a comment on naive, whitewashed depictions of family, children, and life in general. Family Circus portrays a non-existent, wholesome world in which disturbing issues like cruelty to animals or the sadism of children simply doesn&#039;t exist. Denying the complex realities of human nature by taking refuge in fluffy escapism can be its own kind of soul-sickness. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This cartoon is part of a series called the &quot;Family Circus Redemption Project.&quot; For those of us who grew up hating the original Family Circus for its insipid insistence that children are always adorable and that all is good in the world, it can be satisfying to see that particular fragile reality shattered by the introduction of disturbing elements from real life. The joke here is about the relationship between life and art; it has nothing to do with cats. The artist is implicitly recognizing the horror of what&#039;s being described; that&#039;s why he&#039;s using it, because it&#039;s so horrible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you think that the reference to a disturbing act, separate from the act to which it refers,  is a problem in itself, then you might enjoy the original, unsullied Family Circus cartoons, whose value was essentially that they never contained even the vaguest implication that there was anything unpleasant going on anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The joke isn&#39;t about cats at all. It&#39;s a comment on naive, whitewashed depictions of family, children, and life in general. Family Circus portrays a non-existent, wholesome world in which disturbing issues like cruelty to animals or the sadism of children simply doesn&#39;t exist. Denying the complex realities of human nature by taking refuge in fluffy escapism can be its own kind of soul-sickness. </p>
<p>This cartoon is part of a series called the &#8220;Family Circus Redemption Project.&#8221; For those of us who grew up hating the original Family Circus for its insipid insistence that children are always adorable and that all is good in the world, it can be satisfying to see that particular fragile reality shattered by the introduction of disturbing elements from real life. The joke here is about the relationship between life and art; it has nothing to do with cats. The artist is implicitly recognizing the horror of what&#39;s being described; that&#39;s why he&#39;s using it, because it&#39;s so horrible.</p>
<p>If you think that the reference to a disturbing act, separate from the act to which it refers,  is a problem in itself, then you might enjoy the original, unsullied Family Circus cartoons, whose value was essentially that they never contained even the vaguest implication that there was anything unpleasant going on anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The harm comes to the souls of those that think, or are told they should think, it&#039;s funny, especially those of children. We have responsibility to others, not just ourselves and our own interests. Sickness can be of the soul and spirit as well as the body. Fostering it hurts sensitivity, something that is becoming less common because of the sicknesses in our world and the way many people raise their children. People who do harm animals have more damaged souls than most of us. It&#039;s been recognized that harming animals is a sign of potential for harming vulnerable people as well. People who think it&#039;s funny have taken a step in that same direction. That comic is not funny to anyone with healthy sensitivity. I&#039;ll tell you who comes to mind when I see something like that: some of the prison inmates I used to teach. They would have thought that was very funny, whether or not they &quot;got&quot; the &quot;humor&#039; of the juxtaposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The harm comes to the souls of those that think, or are told they should think, it&#39;s funny, especially those of children. We have responsibility to others, not just ourselves and our own interests. Sickness can be of the soul and spirit as well as the body. Fostering it hurts sensitivity, something that is becoming less common because of the sicknesses in our world and the way many people raise their children. People who do harm animals have more damaged souls than most of us. It&#39;s been recognized that harming animals is a sign of potential for harming vulnerable people as well. People who think it&#39;s funny have taken a step in that same direction. That comic is not funny to anyone with healthy sensitivity. I&#39;ll tell you who comes to mind when I see something like that: some of the prison inmates I used to teach. They would have thought that was very funny, whether or not they &#8220;got&#8221; the &#8220;humor&#39; of the juxtaposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love cats, and I chose that image to be used in this piece. You have the right to say it&#039;s not funny, but nobody is going to bring harm to any animals because that cartoon appeared here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love cats, and I chose that image to be used in this piece. You have the right to say it&#39;s not funny, but nobody is going to bring harm to any animals because that cartoon appeared here.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On, well then, ha ha ha! It&#039;s NOT funny, no matter how it&#039;s intended. I&#039;m not stupid, but I recognize what&#039;s sick when I see it. If you think sick is funny, that&#039;s your problem -- and unfortunately you have lots of company. Healthy humor does require a bit more intelligence than dirty, sick humor but I think it&#039;s well worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On, well then, ha ha ha! It&#39;s NOT funny, no matter how it&#39;s intended. I&#39;m not stupid, but I recognize what&#39;s sick when I see it. If you think sick is funny, that&#39;s your problem &#8212; and unfortunately you have lots of company. Healthy humor does require a bit more intelligence than dirty, sick humor but I think it&#39;s well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bennett Cohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bennett Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The humor in that cartoon is not about the cruelty to the cat, but rather the juxtaposition of something horrible being said in a context (Family Circus) known for its fluffy naivete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The humor in that cartoon is not about the cruelty to the cat, but rather the juxtaposition of something horrible being said in a context (Family Circus) known for its fluffy naivete.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cruelty to the cat by a young child -- or anyone -- is NOT funny.</description>
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		<title>By: facebook-1300026356</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>facebook-1300026356</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great.  It expresses something I&#039;ve been noticing since I&#039;ve been trying to learn Spanish.  There are so few books for small children that translate well.  I was hoping to find some to read to my daughter to help us both learn Spanish.  Thanks for crystallizing the issue so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great.  It expresses something I&#39;ve been noticing since I&#39;ve been trying to learn Spanish.  There are so few books for small children that translate well.  I was hoping to find some to read to my daughter to help us both learn Spanish.  Thanks for crystallizing the issue so well.</p>
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		<title>By: adammenendez</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>adammenendez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great read, Todd - much more fun than reading Dr. Seuss in either English or Spanish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great read, Todd &#8211; much more fun than reading Dr. Seuss in either English or Spanish!</p>
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		<title>By: Liznwyrk</title>
		<link>http://revolvingfloor.com/issues/2/dr-seuss-otra-vez/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Liznwyrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oye Celia by Katie Sciurba is a wonderful picture book about salsa music and Celia Cruz written in English with many Spanish words. The rhythm and pacing is exceptional and it makes a great read aloud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oye Celia by Katie Sciurba is a wonderful picture book about salsa music and Celia Cruz written in English with many Spanish words. The rhythm and pacing is exceptional and it makes a great read aloud.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Underwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree.  One of the things that I&#039;d like to have is better recommendations for Childrens&#039; books that are originally written in Spanish.  I&#039;d love to read my kids native books in their native language (even if that means that there are some treasures that they only get from their mother).  But in order to do that, I need at least 2 or 3 thousand good childrens&#039; books in Spanish.  Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree.  One of the things that I&#39;d like to have is better recommendations for Childrens&#39; books that are originally written in Spanish.  I&#39;d love to read my kids native books in their native language (even if that means that there are some treasures that they only get from their mother).  But in order to do that, I need at least 2 or 3 thousand good childrens&#39; books in Spanish.  Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Meckler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Meckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a workshop for Sign Language interpreters, we had to interpret &quot;Jabberwocky.&quot;  It was ridiculously difficult.  I think knowing a second (or third) language gives you more respect for your first language, and language in general, because you can see how it works--no longer does it seem inevitable, but rather, a constructed and reconstructed cultural artifact.  Just one of many equally arbitrary ways of expressing thought.  You see the workings behind the curtain, the strings on Peter Pan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a workshop for Sign Language interpreters, we had to interpret &#8220;Jabberwocky.&#8221;  It was ridiculously difficult.  I think knowing a second (or third) language gives you more respect for your first language, and language in general, because you can see how it works&#8211;no longer does it seem inevitable, but rather, a constructed and reconstructed cultural artifact.  Just one of many equally arbitrary ways of expressing thought.  You see the workings behind the curtain, the strings on Peter Pan.</p>
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		<title>By: Yimji Wills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yimji Wills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yeah, I very much like the thoughts here about language. On the whole, though, I prefer reading the original whatever-it-is,  in whatever language it started out in, even if I don&#039;t speak it very well.  I can refer to a translation to help out.   (A big exception is Rumi, because I speak/read absolutely no mid-eastern anything.  And it&#039;s so astounding in translation, I wonder what it might be like in the original.) Children are amazing creatures who can drink in language, and get all the sounds and rhythms and connections in an enviable way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yeah, I very much like the thoughts here about language. On the whole, though, I prefer reading the original whatever-it-is,  in whatever language it started out in, even if I don&#39;t speak it very well.  I can refer to a translation to help out.   (A big exception is Rumi, because I speak/read absolutely no mid-eastern anything.  And it&#39;s so astounding in translation, I wonder what it might be like in the original.) Children are amazing creatures who can drink in language, and get all the sounds and rhythms and connections in an enviable way.</p>
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